Babiniotis Says Macedonian Dialect Was Greek

Babiniotis Says Macedonian Dialect Was Greek

Renowned Greek linguist and professor Giorgos Baniniotis talked about the value of language in a lecture held at the Wright Theatre of Medical School of Melbourne University, where he said that the ongoing name dispute between Greece and the Former Yugoslavia Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) has clouded the question of language and dialect between the countries as well.

The event was organized by the Australian Institute Of Macedonian Studies, Hellenic Museum and Pan-Macedonian Association of Melbourne in framework of DEMETRIA 2012. Babiniotis, a former Minister of Education and Religious Affairs in Greece, spooke as well of how words and phonology derived from the ancient Macedonian Language, a Greek dialect, which proved that Macedonians in ancient Greece had already developed phonologically a Doric Greek dialect, which was used in oral speech.

According to research at the beginning of the 20th-Century by German Linguists, and from 1988 by  Babiniotis, there are 250 words, mostly nouns discovered in Homer and Herodotus eras, identified to have originated from the ancient Macedonian language.

He also referred to the current Bulgarian-Serb language spoken in the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) and said that, “We respect the language, history and traditions of the people in the neighboring country. However, the term Macedonian they use to name their language causes confusion and is historically and culturally unacceptable.”

  • ddejan

    you are aware that you are fighting a battle, you already lost, aren’t you?

  • Theo

    Leave our Mako friends alone who cares what happened 100000 years ago, Its idiots like this bloke that cause Greece worl wide embarrassment.

  • Ralph

    ‘World wide embarrassment’ would be to not defend our nation from others who claim it as their own. Especially when the historical arguments put forward ie Doric Greek dialect is a proven fact, not a lovely fairy tale we preach to our children before they go to bed..

  • The Truth

    Greece & Greeks didn’t exist until 1832. This article and any suggestion that Greece or a Greek language exists before this is simply propaganda. I challenge someone to show me that Greece existed during the time of Alexander the Great? I’ve heard of the Epirots, Athenians, Thessalians, etc etc…

  • http://twitter.com/PeterGmai Peter Givens

    John Adams on July 14th 1783 described the Greeks as follows;”corrupted in their morals to such a degree,as to be faithless,perfidious race,destitute of courage…”

  • Hank

    CORRECT!!!! FYROM ARE BULGARIANS/SLAVS AND SPEAK BULGARIAN…
    ANCIENT MACEDONIANS HAVE ALWAYS CLAIMED TO BE GREEKS AND SPOKE GREEK.. FYROM BEFORE 1950s WAS REFERRED TO A ‘VARDAR BANOVINA’..
    TRUE MACEDONIANS(GREEKS) HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY NO TO FYROM AND PROTECT ITS CULTURE AND HISTORY FROM THEFT…

  • Hank

    Look it up!! ”The Empire of the Greeks” refered by the Romans before the fall of Constantinople.

  • Theo

    To that Ralph who thinks he is Greek get real buddy, my Nation is Australia, my background is Greek and not Macedonian so why should i defend something that is not mine, my only message and appeal is to leave our neighbours alone if they want to call themselves Macedonians then so be it, many of my best friends are Mako’s and i have known them all my life and been to Greek macedonia to visit their families and they welcomed me as their own, peace brothers not wars is that to much to ask????

  • Guests1&2

    Mr Babiniotis is 100% correct. My wife is Montenegrin and I am a Greek. We both speak our mother tongue and whilst she understands most of their Bulgarian/Slavic language i understand zero.

  • lm240specz

    Umm here’s someone of great significance that proves Greece & Greeks existed some 2500 years ago…

    ‎”Men of Athens… In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Greece; I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Greece change her freedom for slavery.”

    (From the speech of Alexander I of Macedon when he was admitted to the Olympic games, Herodotus, “Histories”, 9.45)

    So, seeing as ur the expert, tell us (The Truth) what language did the Epirots, Athenians & Thessalians speek???

  • hankz

    ”VARDAR BANOVINA” SHOULD BE THE NAME FOR ”FYROM” AS IT WAS BEFORE 1950s AND ITS LANGUAGE BULGARIAN SINCE THEY SPEAK IT..

  • a Greek

    The FYROMologist trolls are out in full force today (including a few false flags). The funny thing about the situation that they have missing (and their Greek hating bigot apologists)…is by now claiming to be direct descendents of ancient Macedonians.. and ancient Macedonians self-identifying as Greeks.. the former Yugoslavians/ethinc Bulgarians are now effectively claiming to be Greeks!

  • a Greek

    Stop pretending to be Greek liar.. Other than some far leftist imbeciles (see commies during civil war) no Greek would ever call the former Bulgarians of FYROM “macedonians”. There is no way to call them by our own identity. It would be like calling them “ethnic Athenians”.

  • a Greek

    You are not Greek liar.

  • a Greek

    The truth is FYROM natioanlists didn’t exists until a few former self-identifying ethnic Bulgarians formed IMRO while the Ottoman empire was crumbling in the late 19th century. Delchev, Gruev, et al were self-admitted BULGARIANS. You didn’t fully lose your Bulgarian identiy until Yugoslav communists though. Tito was essentially the one who wiped it as a toll to reduce Bulgarian influence in Yugoslavia and threaten Greece.

    You lost your Bulgarian identity to your hate. Your hate will not change you into “ancient Macedonians” or change ancient Macedoninas into slavs. All you are accomplishing is making fools of yourselves. Future generations will be ashamed of fanatics like you that hide their past from them.

  • hankz

    Bulgarians that calls themselves “Macedonians” are still Bulgarians…
    Why should we Greeks give up a part of our culture that doesn’t even belong to FYROM?? Ancient Macedonians have been a part of our culture for over 4000 years, they spoke Greek and claimed to be Greeks..

  • lm240specz

    In another 2000 years from now, FYROM & it’s people will be remembered by the rest of the world as the ones who tried to falsify history much in the same way the Nazi’s are remembered for their 1933 campaign of burning books whose writings were viewed as subversive or whose ideologies undermined the National Socialist administration.

  • Aleksandar

    God bless You Theo.

  • Macedonian

    Who are you to tell that Macedonians are not Macedonians .. how dare you to even talk about Macedonian identity? Greece should be ashamed because of this. Its is 21 – st century how dare you greeks to tell the people who are they and where do they belong. shame on you

  • Goran

    Do you feel a Greek or a Macedonian?

  • Goran

    da

  • hankz

    ‘FYROM’ ARE BULGARIANS.. MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS AND HAS BEEN FOR OVER 4000 YEARS….

  • vwp

    I love how people pick and choose their history.What about the time from 323 bc to 1832 ,I guess nothing happened. From 1913 to 1930 when minority rights were forgotten., the civil war that nobody talks about,

  • frosty54

    I’m not sure why George Baniniotis, Greek linguist and former Minister of Education is so confused. I know that the history of the Balkans is complicated, but one would assume that he might be intelligent enough to understand that today there are no Ancient Macedonians; no one living today in a modern, democratic Europe speaks Ancient Macedonian. I am English, a Briton, living and working in the UK and yet by George Baniniotis and his strange paradigm because I don’t speak the language of The Beaker people or The Celts (to name a couple) I can not claim to speak the native tongue of my own country. The Macedonian language, region, country, people, ethnicity, and culture is about far more than the brief history of a self proclaimed god and despot from over two thousand years ago. There wasn’t a cut off point for Macedonian history with the death of Alexander The Great. As with all the peoples of Europe from two thousand years ago The Macedonians evolved; assimilation, annexation, liberation, and migration have all had a profound effect on what makes up a state, religion, culture, language, and ethnic identity. The entire world is and always has been in a state of constant flux; whether it be the movement of people, language or ideas, definitions of all have changed throughout time. On every level I am willing to accept that there used to be an ancient kingdom called ‘Macedonia’, and there is a modern European state called ‘Macedonia’ where they speak ‘Macedonian’ (amongst other languages). The fact that the language of ancient Macedonian and the modern Macedonians is different shouldn’t surprise anyone at all. I really don’t see the confusion. Respect UK.

  • GEORGE

    POLH PALIO TO KOLPO SOU PRODOTH VOULGARE DEN GENYTHIKAME XTHES SYXAMENE ,,,

  • Maco style

    Ofcourse this idiot would say this. He is Greek & corrupt.

  • Maco style

    Theo. I like you too. I have a Greek sister in law.

  • Maco style

    I’m Macedonian & I have travelled to Greece. I could read Greek. I thought you guys were ‘exclusive’? Get real u idiot

  • F54

    The Macedonian language, region, country, people, ethnicity, and culture
    is about far more than the brief history of a self proclaimed god and
    despot from over two thousand years ago. There wasn’t a cut off point
    for Macedonian history with the death of Alexander The Great. As with
    all the peoples of Europe from two thousand years ago The Macedonians
    evolved; assimilation, annexation, liberation, and migration have all
    had a profound effect on what makes up a state; religion, culture,
    language, and ethnic identity. The entire world is and always has been
    in a state of constant flux; whether it be the movement of people,
    language or ideas, definitions of all have changed throughout time.There are no ancient Macedonians living in the modern world; there are
    however people across the world from The United States to Australia,
    from Skopje to Athens who still feel they have a link to this extinct
    civilization. That is their base human right of self determination.
    There are Ancient Macedonian sites in both The Macedonian and Hellenic
    Republic; from the towns of Styberra (Prilep) and Heraclea Lyncestis
    (Bitola) in Macedonia to Pella in Greece all have an ancient and shared
    history. However does this mean that only those with this perceived
    undiluted link back to the ancient world can call themselves Macedonian?
    Of course not, thousands of years and many historical, religious,
    ethnic and cultural groups have contributed to what it means to be a
    Macedonian in a modern world. I am English, a Briton, living and working
    in the UK and yet by the strange paradigm expressed by some in this
    forum because I don’t speak the language of or trace my roots back to
    The Beaker people or Celts of ancient Britain I can not express my
    modern cultural, ethnic, or national identity. My human right of self
    determination is seemingly negated by this very specific narrow minded
    view of what determines identity. Respect UK